Ever had one of those moments when someone says something so inappropriate to you that you can't speak?
It happened to me at ProBlogger on Friday when I caught up with an ex-university classmate and fellow blogger.
She mentioned she had read my blog and Woogsworld as well.
She mentioned she had read my blog and Woogsworld as well.
We were having a lovely chat talking about people we knew in the newspaper industry.
Then she responded with:
"You haven't changed, except for your issues."
I had no idea how to respond to that comment. It was as though the rug had been pulled out from under me. I just said I had to find Mrs Woog and ST Murphy and I walked away from her as fast as I could.
This was someone I had not seen for 20 years, who now defined me by my mental illness. Not by the fact I was the head of global media for an ASX 200 company or the public face for a well-known consumer organisation or as wife and mother all she remembers is the bipolar.
I was in shock by the time I found Woogs and Murphy and I told them the story.
We were all horrified.
Why? Because I want people to know I am still the same person I always was before I was diagnosed. Sure life is a bit trickier now, I take truck loads of medication and I know my limits but I am still me.
I am aware that there will be a certain degree of identification between myself and the disease, after all I have dubbed this blog Madam Bipolar.
It is interesting, though, that no-one really makes much of a comment about SawHole, except to ask what it means (Lisa, Leesaw, SawHole). People do not fuse me as much with SawHole than they do with Madam Bipolar, which is probably a good thing because SawHole is a tad offensive.
It is important to point out, however, this disease does not define me.
And not everyone sees me as a 'bipolar patient' or a 'bipolar victim'.
Here are some pictures that show who I was before my diagnosis in 2009. You'll see that I am not that different now.
Here I am at a bar in Sydney for Melbourne Cup 2008 when I won Fashions on the Field. I am with my colleagues in the crisis, issues management and training team. I was one of the two media trainers, with Andy, the one up the back in the middle. I also did crisis work with Andy and Grant, the one who is puckering up at Andy. It was one big-arse job. I am still that person.
Here I am at the most special moment of my life - the first moment I touched Miss Charisma. I still stroke her forehead in the same place. I still do that because it links me to that sacred moment. I am still that person.
I am still the same person who yelled: "He's a fraud" a posh Sydney restaurant. It was a dare and how could I not cooperate? I love a bit of high jinx. At the time, I was egged on by ST Murphy, Mrs Woog and The Divine Miss M. In this photo is Mr Murphy and I. They have all known me for the past 20 years and they know I am still the same person.
This is me on my wedding day. It is a treasured family photo. We had a surprise wedding in a park near my house in 2007. Mrs Woog's sister was the celebrant. It was a laid back, no frills wedding and I loved it. And, guess what, I am still the same person.
I realised at ProBlogger people do see me differently. I had a few well motivated people ask me how I was with a look of concern. I am okay. So okay. Please do not worry about me. I will let you know via this blog if things are not okay.
The thing about bipolar disorder is that if I was unwell I would not be at ProBlogger, unless I was hypomanic and then you would know it because I would not STFU.
I know most people have good intentions but my ex-classmate's assumption that my disability alters me as a person is just offensive. This disease will not define me because with modern medicine it does not have to change everything about me.
I spoke to ST Murphy about this and I started questioning whether I should change this blog's title from Madam Bipolar to Madam SawHole or alter my content so it was more positive.
He protested: "Think of the greater good."
Yes, there is the greater good. I have conquered bipolar disorder and so can others. I am living proof.
I have just had a minor sample of what others live with on a daily basis - the looks, the assumptions and the pity - and it really threw me. As a result of this, I now have a better understanding of how people perceive those with a disability.
This keeps me humble and makes me more determined to advocate for mental illness.
I am still the same person.
Just try and stop me!
So do people stereotype you? Do they see what you can't do instead of what you can do?












I only know you are a Blogger, but I never think 'she's just the chick with Bipolar'. You are quite amazeballs, don't let the Asshats bring you down! Xx
ReplyDeletelike Zoe said. Asshats. I think people that have not been touched by mental illness, really have no idea. Those of us that have a level of experience can perhaps understand better and know that it defines the person as much as migraines define the personality of a migraine sufferer. which is not much.
ReplyDeleteI know you as Lisa aka sawhole, photo bomber superstar and all round hilarious chick, intern of Mrs Woog who finally got her own blog and is doing great things for bipolar awareness and mental health.
and you're awesome.
Gobsmacking.
ReplyDeleteI truly hope you don't mind me saying but whenever I've seen you (across the room at the last couple of events we've both been at but I didn't get the chance to work around to coming and saying hi!) I see... um, you! I see you on Twitter as Sawhole and the image I get is one of the photos above. You. I don't see an illness first. And I kinda always forget, in those moments, that you have been diagnosed with this and you advocate (so bloody well, I might add). I'm wondering now what this means. And I think, from my perspective, it actually shows that you have done all this and been vocal and well-researched and sharing about it all but it still hasn't defined you. The person. That is actually really exceptionally hard to balance and you've done it. It just serves to highlight the shortcoming of others if they can make backhanders like the one in your post. Shame on them for not seeing the person above all else.
I get stereotyped by my inlaws. I'm the 'crazy' one. They don't say it. It's more that they 'can't' say it. They tiptoe. Don't want to set me off.
ReplyDeleteAs though I'm not still the snarky, funny, witty, person I was when their son fell in love with me.
I'm sicker now, physically. And they know of my BP diagnosis (in their defence, not even I knew when I got married, the diagnosis only came about 2 years ago). But I'm still me. That me is still there. Even now, when things are B.A.D. I'm still her, aren't I?
I came to you with my 'situation' because you are a kind and caring person.
ReplyDeleteThat is what I see.
And freaking hilarious.
My boy has Autism... he is NOT Autism. It is part of him but does not define him.
Nor does BiPolar define you.
Wish I was there. I would have knocked her down with a whithering stare.
x
Lisa, the first time I read you as Sawhole I suspected you were a goddess. Then I met you in March and I found out you are indeed a goddess. And now you write this and I realise you are a WISE goddess.
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Good on you. Good on you for not letting it define you, and most importantly not letting someone's view define you. Perhaps there's a very good reason you haven't seen them in soooo long. x
ReplyDeleteI am a fairly new reader and normally more of a lurker than a commenter but I thank you so much for this blog because I am going through severe bouts of anxiety and trying this medication and that, all the while wondering if in the end will they figure out it's something more tham just anxiety. Thank you for sharing your experiences and if I could I'd give the person who said that to you a kick in the taco. Thank you for this blog and for raising awareness.
ReplyDeleteHow did you not kick her in the shins, smile serenely and say "whoops, my "ISSUES" made me do that" before skipping off into the sunset??
ReplyDeletePeople do say the darndest things. It is their issue.
The most beautiful, inspiring aspects of life often defy definition. Why do people want to slap labels on everything?
I think a better word would have been "evolved" which is what we should all be striving for.
I pity her. She has closed herself.
I do hope you and your posse challenged her to a dance off later in the night.
Hi Lisa,
ReplyDeleteI have to be honest and admit to being one of the ones that do see you differently sine I learnt that you have bipolar. I see you as quite incredible to be able to do what you do with the illness you have. I am also very curious about BP II, because I identify with a lot that you say about it.
I also want to say that the last two times I saw you, you were quite different to the woman I met at AusBlogCon. I suspect that that is to do with your mood, or perhaps the medication mix. I don't know. I don't have the privilege of seeing you regularly, so I don't know what the "real" Lisa is really like, other than from what I see on the internets.
Finally, I too can identify with being defined by my illness. My ex and his entire entourage had me labelled as crazy and unstable and used that to undermine me even in my own eyes. Now that I'm free of them, I can see that, yes, I can be anxious and depressed, but I see those things as part of who I am.
I still can't believe the stuff that comes out of peoples mouths. A very close member of my family is bipolar and it really winds me up on what inconsiderate people say. Big hugs gorgeous xx
ReplyDeletePlease don't change - the blog name, your sense of humour, the candid way you discuss MI. NOTHING!
ReplyDeleteThere will always be morons who make moronic statements. Sadly we can't change that.
What we can do is be the best version of ourselves for those who truly love us. That's what I strive for. Sometimes that's a crap person and sometimes a saint. I'm authentically crap though ;)
Keep being you. You're awesome at it.
Thank you so much everyone for being so supportive. I am so happy you all 'get it' and do not see me in one dimension.
ReplyDeleteDorothy - I have just added Abilify to my med mix but yes I was a bit more subdued at this conference because at AusBlogConf there was a different vibe. I felt okay to be silly.
Zoe and Toushka Lee, I am so glad we share a love of the word asshat.
Kelley and Melissa - I know you both get it. It is a shared and unspoken understanding between us.
Lucy - you always know the right thing to say and express it so eloquently. Thank you for all your support of both me and my blog.
Chantelle - thanks for commenting and I agree 100% with your statement. xx
Kaytee thank you for reading and commenting. I am pleased you are getting something out of this blog.
Rikki - I will say it again - please get your own blog. You are amazing.
Nathalie - So happy to chat with you on the weekend. xx
Being Me Thanks for seeing me across the room. We will have to meet up at the next blog conference.
Thanks workingwomenaus. I just saw you followed me on Twitter. Welcome to the world of Madam Bipolar.
ReplyDeleteIn the blogging world, it might be easier to stereotype people according to their blog because as bloggers we create niches and blog - usually - along those lines. I have a blog about early childhood education and probably people pigeonhole me as a teacher blogger which for most is a big yawn. But I'm so much more than a preschool teacher - that is just the area I chose to blog about. So maybe people reading your blog might be inclined to think of you in terms of your illness because that is what you blog about.
ReplyDeleteAs for people who know you in real life and make moronic statements like that one - well, you do just what you did and walk away.
I have depression and anxiety but for the most part you wouldn't know it if you met me. I'd hate to think that I was defined in that way.
I'm loving your blog to pieces, and there will always be people who don't get mood disorders or mental health illnesses: fuck 'em and move on I say :)
Madam B, you know my thoughts on this incident as we discussed them over dumplings. You and an amazing person, defined only by your amazingness (not sure if that's a real word?).
ReplyDeleteIt's a pity there isn't medicine for foot in mouth disease.
ReplyDeleteI love you xx
Such an important post. I believe people with cancer have the same issue. They become defined by their disease and not by themselves. You and I have talked about the related issue of "She/he suffers from bi polar." Say that and all you have is an image of a person bowed under the weight of the disease.
ReplyDelete"Has" bi polar - not "suffers" from bi polar. Such simple things that make a world of difference to perception.
That's a bullshit comment.
ReplyDeleteIn the many years I have known you, you have not changed. Older and wiser, but the same fabbo chick.
I don't even think you have to justify yourself to people like that. Comments like that just horrify me. My husband is an advocate for men's mental health as he has suffered with depression most of his adult life and anxiety these last 12 months. He's quite happy to speak about it and men, it seems, don't seem so shocked by it. They just say 'yeah, whatever - how about Craig Lowndes/Geelong FC/NZ Rugby team?'. Women are the worst!
ReplyDeleteI can't wait to meet you in person one day. You are a person and a great one at that!
ReplyDeleteAnne you are so right. When we were at the launch of RUOK Wendall Sailor and Wayne Gardner were quite open about their depression. There was also mostly men in the room as well.
ReplyDeleteWell you know what I think because I managed to get a quick chat with you on Friday - I think you are the person who WRITES about Bipolar 2 ... and you have assisted me in learning more about it which has had a knock on effect to my neighbour who has recently been diagnosed with it. I think she would love to tell you how lovely it was for her to be able to chat to me about her illness without fear of judgement.
ReplyDeleteYou are educating a lot of people about this illness Ms Sawhole and I can assure you that while you are writing about a challenging topic, your personality and determination shines right through. It is only the ignorant and uneducated who would choose to define you by your illness.
I see you as SawHole, the best fucking first guest poster EVAH!
ReplyDeleteMaybe I'm hormonal but I teared up a few times reading this post. Your illness, my illness, their illness does not ever define who we are. It contributes to who we are, and nothing more.
You are awesome and I love you x
I have been so concerned about this exact issue since my initial diagnosis that it took me a really long time to even admit to myself that there was an issue. And for a short time I went the opposite way and started talking about it endlessly with my friends - it was my only topic of conversation. But I have now taken a more moderate tack, and one that is working well for me. That is, I have a very small circle of IRL friends I talk about it with, and everyone else are just my ordinary pre-diagnosis friends who I don't really bring the topic up around. And this works very well for me as my eating disorder is only a very small part of me. So it's ok that it only occupies a very small part of my life.
ReplyDeleteAnd you, Miss Bipolar, are a most wonderful, courageous and honest person. You should be proud of your issues because of what you are doing with them. You are helping others feel less alone. Not to mention helping others to understand - and this breaks down stigma. And that's what this is all about really. Stigma.
Stigma sucks...
We need a name for these morons. I suggest MI deniers. Lets stereotype them. Usually they have little emotional intelligence.
ReplyDeleteIn my experience these are the ones that have it prevalent around them.
Love ya work Sawhole, Madam Bipolar
Disy
The stigma mental illness carries with it astounds me. People can not seem to see it as a medical condition. Would you ever tell someone who had diabetes that they have issues? Or that their illness has changed them? No so why would you say it to someone with bipolar disorder? I think your blog is amazing, informative, and brave. Don't let ignorance alter that in any way!
ReplyDeleteFantastic post - we all want to be seen for our whole person / being not the individual bits. The way all those bits come together is what makes us unique and brings out all the magic that is "us".
ReplyDeleteKeep on as you are please - I am happy to be along for the ride...
Jeezus - no wonder they are playing that ad all the time. You know, the one where "Emily" is judged and looked at because of her mental illness until the girl in the bathroom goes "Hi Emily"...
ReplyDeleteI wondered if it wasn't an exaggeration as I have not encountered or felt that way. I guess I would never judge a person by a label because I have a child with a "label". It does not define him, just as being adopted never defined me. I guess what I am trying to say is what a fucking dickhead. Obviously there is a reason you haven't kept in touch for the last 20 years for if this was her/his attitude to your diagnosis then I am sure there are other lovely personality traits in there too.
WOW! Some people really should engage their brain before they open their mouths!
ReplyDeleteI agree with St Murphy 100%!
You are helping people. Getting rid of the stigma that depressive disorders carry is one of the key things that well enable so many people to seek help.
how rude! I love you! I loved meeting you and think you're gorgeous inside and out.
ReplyDeleteI get judged by the number of kids I have but for every person who freaks out about the little ones at my feet there is always someone lovely there to say nice things and freak out in a nice way:)
keep doing what you're doing! I can't believe how rude it is and lucky you've got such a gorgeous entourage with you ;)
corrie:)xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
WOW could have wrote this myself. Since my diagnosis people are constantly asking me if "I'm okay". I hate that I am now defined because of Bipolar and infact I wish I could just ingore it and it will all go away. I'm so tired of people asking mee if I'm out for the night if ive taken my medications as well.... or "should I be drinking". I know how to handle my shit. Seriously. Sorry for the rant. But I soooo get you.
ReplyDeleteI am so sorry that you had that happen this weekend. The lack of understanding of mental health in Australia sometimes makes me sooo mad. I hate how some people can't see past the condition to the person or somehow think it defines who they are.
ReplyDeleteLike Kelly ... my son HAS autism. He is not Autism and it does not define who he is ... Nor does BiPolar define you.
Please don't change anything about your blog ... I agree with St Murphy 100%
P.S. I am sure that I knew you at Mitchell ... I will have to try and catch you at the next blogging event.
Hey spunk .... I LOVE this post, and what beautiful, supportive comments.
ReplyDeleteMany people in my life see me, cock their heads to one side, and say with deep concern, "And how ARE you?"
Hulk smash.
Loved spending time with you. X
Good on you for walking away! Think about the small and narrow mindness of your ex friend! I suffer PTSD thanks to a car accident a yr ago, I'm open about my condition and i see my psychologist to deal with the various issues. I was recently in hospital with problems relating to my car accident, as soon as I said PTSD, even though I gave my psychologist number and said I wasn't suffering depression, I was reffered to the psychiatrist, by an in experienced register who made it seem like they assumed my condition was to do with PTSD and I was almost making up pain and an inability to walk. I saw the psychiatrist who said the Drs over reacted and I was fine but his concern was the tablets I was placed on to stop serious ongoing migraines was also something that can be an anti depressant, so he was worried about the stigma! If people sit down and ask if you are ok and not label you by you mental illness the world would be a nicer place!
ReplyDeleteThank you from the bottom of my heart for all the lovely and supportive comments. You guys are just the best.
ReplyDeleteThe stigma remains. I plan to focus on this in my writing because it is a massive issue.
xxx
I haven't got anything to add that hasn't been said, I just wanted you to know I read this, loved it, love your candour and wish I'd found you and your blog an awful lot earlier. I really, really wish you'd stomped on their toes and punched them in the face.
ReplyDeleteSo glad to have met you on Friday.
xx
Do you want to know how I see you?
ReplyDeleteGorgeous smile, it instantly lights up a room and puts others at ease.
Intuitive, the moment I met you, there was something about you that, at least I felt, connected with me.
Accepting, you do not judge others for their faults, you actually roll with it, like "Ok, that's cool, I have some freaky shit I could tell you too".
Intelligent, you hold yourself and a conversation well, and you make others feel at ease and heard.
In 20 years, you've changed. It is impossible to not change. Just because 20 years pass doesn't mean that EVERYTHING should change. Some things will and some won't.
And I totally will ALWAYS think of you as SawHole. Sorry, but you branded yourself with that one.
(Ok, ok I do think Lisa too, but for some reason MadamBipolar doesn't jump to mind before those two?)
You own bipolar. it doesnt own you. Thats what you've done. xxx
ReplyDeleteAnd usually the people who highlight other's issues, are grappling with their own and say things to make themselves feel better for 2 seconds.
Of course you are the same person. A bipolar diagnosis doesnt change who you are - it just might explain some of your more quirky tendencies ;) (well it did for me) I hate that mental illnesses are still stigmatised in this way. That anyone thought that was an appropriate comment simply boggles my mind.
ReplyDeleteHaving met you in person recently, I think of you as that person - that marvellous, chatty, smart and funny woman. If that's the same person as depicted in all those lovely photos above, then I like her a lot.
ReplyDeleteSome people are just too awkward for words, aren't they? x
You are beautiful and smart and funny and clever and I'm a little in awe of you. The person who said that is ignorant. Don't change a thing babe.
ReplyDeleteClearly I too have an issue! I thought I'd responded to this post earlier but it must have been a dream!!
ReplyDeleteLisa, I loved talking aka properly conversing with you on Friday because there were some moments when there was not too much noise! Thank you so much for your insights into what I may find helpful getting my blog & biz about schooling up & running.
For me, seeing you lights up my life because I have only known you since March at ABC yet I know you are my kind of person who I could chat with for quite some time!
Let's not forget I have promised a meet-up near Manly!!
Love & Hugs Denyse xx
This post left me speechless and has been on my mind for the last two days.
ReplyDeleteAt the very best your 'friend' is insensitive and ignorant. At worst she is utterly cruel. Please remember her comment says a lot more about her than you. You are CLEARLY awesome!
Thanks Stacey. I am thinking that it was more about her discomfort at talking about mental illness.
ReplyDeletePeople need to be educated by these things. In the Philippines though, you'd find these comments common. It's more about educating because it's not out there as it should be. Good on you for doing this on your blog, spreading the message so people become educated about this.
ReplyDeleteSorry I only found this now - the ignorance of some is astounding!
ReplyDeleteSt Murphy is so right - the greater good is that you are working towards showing up those types of misguided & deluded people and giving much needed focus to an area of health that is overlooked.
For what its worth I thought you rocked from the minute I found you on Mrs Woogs' blog. The fact you turned out to know my sister cemented your awesomeness :)
WOW. I am speechless. You know it's never occurred to me until right now that people might pigeon hole you - which isn't very thoughtful of me and really makes so in awe of what you are really doing for mental health awareness by writing this blog! To be honest when I think of you I normally have you and Mrs Woog linked in my mind because that's where I first "met" you. When I come to this blog you help me understand so much but the way you write it is so inspiring and helpful it's never even occurred to me to think of you as "the blogger with bipolar" in fact even writing that makes me uncomfortable. x
ReplyDeleteKeep doing what you're doing. You must know you are not worth this woman's judgement. I'm sure she has never received the validation you have just received here. Proof you are not defined by what you have. (And I would like permission to use the word "asshat". Just so right.)
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